Posts by Driving Force

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Mays JW TV Broadcast/Your feedback is appreciated

by ToesUp in

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i have a pretty good intuition but i have to admit i am going back and forth on the jw tv may broadcast.

i keep asking myself are they really in financial trouble (wishful thinking) or are they just grabbing for more money?.

i always appreciate reading everyone's thoughts and ideas on here.. let me know what you think.

_Morpheus

They wont see any ROI on their new ventures for sometime.

I beg to differ there. Considering the labor is free, they could sell a complex immediately after completion, they would have to make some pretty good excuse to do so, but they could.

Another aspect (I am not really sure on this one), if a building complex cost the bOrg $150 000 000,00. After completion that book value is considerably more, any estimation on the value of a building takes into consideration the cost in the real world where labor has to be paid for. Having lets they say $250 000 000,00 on the books instead of the costs of just $150 000 000,00 would allow them theoretically to gain a load from a bank for other investments or to cover any short-term cash flow problem.

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Apostate views?

by Richard C B in

if a brother is starting to look at material on the internet and starts to have serious doubts about the jw organisation and questions the integrity of the governing body.

what steps would be taken to by the congregation to readjust his thinking.

and also if the congregation is not aware of this but he has confided in an individual how would that individual try to help such a brother?.

Driving Force

Well in my case, the elders have as yet not spoken to me. I only stopped going to meetings 6 weeks ago.
What they have done is:

Gave a talk in the congregation on apostate literature on the Internet

and

Made it clear to my family including my 14 year old daughter that I was "mentally diseased".

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"Mentally Diseased" comment makes news

by freemindfade in

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/985479.

i know it's old but i never saw this one before.

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Driving Force

If anybody is interested there is an interesting article on "Hate Speech":

http://www.article19.org/pages/en/hate-speech-more.html

The following should perhaps receive a special mention:

In a 2001 Joint Statement, the UN, OSCE and OAS Special Mandates on the right to freedom of expression set out a number of conditions which hate speech laws should respect:

No one should be penalised for statements which are true
No one should be penalised for the dissemination of hate speech unless it has been shown that they did so with the intention of inciting discrimination, hostility or violence
The right of journalists to decide how best to communicate information and ideas to the public should be respected, particularly when they are reporting on racism and intolerance
No one should be subject to prior censorship
Any imposition of sanctions by courts should be in strict conformity with the principle of proportionality.

These provide a good basis for assessing the legitimacy of any particular hate speech law.

I think that declaring anybody "mentally diseased" and shunning them is "with the intention of inciting discrimination".
Although this is not law in many lands as mentioned by Ruby456.

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"Mentally Diseased" comment makes news

by freemindfade in

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/985479.

i know it's old but i never saw this one before.

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Driving Force

Sorry about the formatting in the above.

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"Mentally Diseased" comment makes news

by freemindfade in

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/985479.

i know it's old but i never saw this one before.

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Driving Force

Ruby456

This is clearly laid out in the "Strafgesetztbuch § 130 Volksverhetzung" (Criminal law book § 130 sedition) you can access this at http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/130.html, however this is in German.

Just to paraphrase some of it, not a translation:

(1) Whoever disturbs the public peace in anyway ,
1. to incite hate, violence or arbitrary action against a national, … religious … against any part of the population or against an individual due to their affiliation to a particular group or
2. due to this, attacks the human dignity because of their affiliation to a particular group …..

shall be punished by imprisonment from three months to five years.

The text then goes on and expands on this.

70

Need Help

by ThisFellowCheap in

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friends

i'm in dire need of assitance, and i have decided to humbly come here.... first, let me reintroduce myself.

my name is kolabomi, a nigerian and a proud one too.

i am a graduate student in one of my country's leading university.

Driving Force

minimus

How much do you want then?

Just provide all your details and I am sure many will send you a few bucks.

Here is the information we need, just post the info on this website so we call all send you money.

Full address
Full bank details
A copy of your signature
Photo copy your ID and upload a good digital version

And don't forget to give us an assessment of your personality in figures to at least 2 decimal places and a letter of recommendation from the local BOE.

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"Mentally Diseased" comment makes news

by freemindfade in

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/985479.

i know it's old but i never saw this one before.

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Driving Force

Ruby456. That is true what you say for the USA, correct me if that is not the case. But inciting hate against a group of people is against the law in some lands like Germany for instance, this is due to their past when considering the Nazi era. In the UK this inquiry about the "mentally diseased" has been ongoing for some time now, so there must be some serious considerations going in by the investigative group.

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Are we going to see a mass awakening?

by kairos in

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the internet is the archive for civilization.. watchtower cannot hide it's history.. are we seeing the beginning of a mass exodus out of her?.

Driving Force

One of the last assignments I had in the congregation just before I left was about JW.ORG, how we can lead people to the website.
I flatly refused to do this.

My reasoning was that this website does not in anyway glorify Jehovah or Jesus, but just a man-made organization. The brother who did carry out the assignment was very good in glorifying the website and the organization, Jehovah and Jesus were never mentioned.

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2015 May edition of JW Broadcasting: the GB beggar

by Gorbatchov in

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tonight gorby and his wife watched a part of the 2015 may edition of jw broadcasting.

we couldn't force our self to watch the full stuff, because of it's sneaky way of production.

first of course the dynasty melody at the start, the world map background and the car salesman mr. lett.

Driving Force

is there some way we ( whoever may want to ) can donate a small amount of money to the wt that will cost it more to collect and process than its worth--a net loss ?

I guess you could send them a cheque, where the amount in words is different from the figures, they will send it back to you and ask for another, or request you make a bank transfer

or
send them a treasure map with a cross on it, don't forget the scull and crossbones in the top left hand corner.

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OMG - How Low Can They Go?

by berrygerry in

i'm sorry if this has been posted previously, but i haven't noticed it.. this was posted on reddit.. has anyone seen this moneysuck video:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ylee4u_yu.

Driving Force

@d4g

Dead right.

I have been reading a lot lately on cults and manipulative mine control, one thing many cults use is music and singing, I wonder when this will be added to their song book.